Private/Musea Rec.     Yngwe Guddal & Roger T.Matte :
Genesis for two grand pianos vol.2 (N,2004)***°/****

Second volume starts with immediate enthusiasm and well balanced dynamics in playing on “Me and Sarah Jane”.

I recognise how the duo in fact made different compositions from the Genesis tracks in a way it would benefit completely their own kind of playing.

In some way it’s a benefit not to leave each small detail of the original inspiration intact ; only the elements that matter to their own expression are adapted and fused to a new height. Here and there are slightly strange ends but the duo arranged and played something which convinces and stands on its own in performance and composition.

I think the dynamic playing together of both pianists has developed well since the first volume. They bring their own kind of “jazz” into the compositions of Genes

is. On “Blood on the Rooftops” I think they made great compromises of ideas using the right and some well understood touches of from the original composition brought into the new territory of their own, with some switches. Also “Eleventh Earl of Mar” is a great compromising piano interpretation of the original. The “Cinema Show” is very recognisable, but became something else as well, as a well conceived close variation with convincing a conclusion.

A very enjoyable cd, and the best starter for both albums.

Audio vol.1 :
"The Fountain Of Salmacis", "Mad Man Moon", "Can-Utility And The CoastLiners"
& http://www.cduniverse.com/... & http://www.musicoutfitter.com/...
Audio vol.2 : "Me and Sarah Jane", "Seven Stones", "The Lamb lies down on Broadway", "The Battle of Epping Forest", "Blood on the Rooftops", "Eleventh Earl of Mar", "The Cinema Show"
Info : http://www.yngveguddal.com/
Label entry : http://www.camino.co.uk/detail.html?productref=140
& http://musea.musearecords.com/ext_re_new_releaseselect.php?np=33365
Other reviews : http://www.camino.co.uk/sales/gen42grand/
& http://www.worldofgenesis.com/Tribute-albumreviews.htm
& http://www.dprp.net/reviews/0208.htm#genesispiano
& http://www.hairlessheartherald.co.uk/genftgp.htm
& http://genesis-path.net/tributes_2pianos.html
& http://www.prog-nose.org/engels/albums_2005/guddal_matte_genesis.htm
& http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=57116
& http://www.intuitivemusic.com/content/view/1745/28/
GENESIS / SYMPHONIC ROCK INSPIRATIONS
review page
with introduction


Isopoda ('78)
V.A. (Genesis tribute) ('95)
Yes ('72)
Big Big Train ('07)
Skaldowie ('72/'07)
Yngwe Guddal & Roger T.Matte ('00,'04)
Viima ('06)




Musea Rec.     Isopoda : Isopoda (B,1978)****

I thought at first, on hearing the release, that this was a new band imitating Genesis. They seemed to be successful but then I discovered that this was a recording of 1978. On first listen I thought it had some more melodic touch. After a second listen I realised that they were more than just successful with melody, and had their own original ideas. The recording quality of the music is perfect. The music is moody and highly successful in its conception.  Seeing that the band stability was short-lived as far as band members goes (which happens too often in Belgium, because bands like this can hardly survive) we're lucky to have this document professionally recorded.

The band came from the area of Aalst (where Irish Coffee had close contact with them, and many closer connections with Isopoda). Highly recommended to fans of the "real" Genesis. I even noticed something that is reminiscent of Renaissance, particularly the bass combined with piano on the fourth track.

Also the bonus track (which came from a compilation album) fits perfectly.

Label : www.musearecords.com
Info : http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=2539
Arnold De Schepper info :
http://www.prog-nose.org/engels/albums_2002/de_schepper_arnold_topical.htm
German review : http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/album_930.html
Japanese info : http://enjoy.pial.jp/~chipmunk/ISOPODA.html & http://homepage2.nifty.com/gdawn/HTML/Belgium1.htm

PS. A similar Genesis inspiration, pretty acoustic you can find with the very good album by (the Cathedral guitarist) Rudy Perrone : Oceans of Art (US,1979-1981)****°
Hopefully this album will get a reissue one day too.

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AN INTRODUCTION FOR GENESIS ASSOCIATIONS :

PS. For those who are still unfamiliar with Genesis I have to say Genesis is one of the most important bands in progressive music history. They changed the sound of pop and rock music by adding a semi-classical subtleness which hadn't been heard before. Their compositions formed the new style of "symphonic rock". Almost all their works until but not including, "and then there were three" are highly recommended and have all their own qualities.

Also a few solo-works by the members are still important (Steve Hackett's "Voyage of the Acolyte", Anthony Philips' "the geese and the ghost", and some selections from "private parts and pieces"). A few groups succeeded with a very similar style to Genesis. Some of them succeeded very much in having the same power and inventiveness. Most of them were Italian groups (like PFM's "Per un Amico", Apoteosi, Le Orme's "Uomi di Pezza" & "Felona and Serona", Errata Corridge's "Siegfried,.".), Italy being where Genesis received the most appreciation and support, in their early years. In fact Genesis wouldn't have survived without the Italian interest. It was actually in Italy where it was developed significantly and parallel, also combining an interest in the more disciplined improvisational compositions.

About related groups, Marillion's first album still sounded somewhat similar in style, but then they evolved to a much more melodic approach, later inspiring other groups to the neo-symphonic movement which was too much related to melody rather than sound colourfulness, invention, rhythmic time signatures, and balancing creativity. Yes created their own sound, with only "Drama" as being close to the Genesis sound. They even opened up the possibilities in creativity with their way of composing. Gentle Giant also had their own particular symphonic music sound, with more searching new ideas than in developing a fantasy rich musical world, like Genesis did. At the same time, after The Nice, combined classical music with pop instruments with an experimenting approach, it was the pianist Keith Emerson's next group, Emerson Lake and Palmer, who showed a fourth variation of what symphonic rock could be. It was through King Crimson that also contemporary ideas came into using the long composition techniques, leading to the even more contemporary style of the Rock In Opposition groups like Univers Zero and Magma.

For me symphonic music was most successful in Italy during the seventies. The Italian groups succeeded in having the most advanced ideas and releases within this genre. There are only a few exceptions that come from other countries, like for instance M.I.A from Argentine, who for me added even more elements to the style, which in England and Italy were not so commonly used then. Most new symphonic groups I have heard recently are too melodious, and not very inventive vis-a-vis disciplined composition, rhythmical invention,  from which springs true melodic invention, with a ear-for-sound meanings  and balance, with an emotionally involved interaction, and with an inspired notion for musical improvisation.  Even meaningful aligning of space and allowing time for themes to develop their own course, and the space itself which significance given to feelings and a tension in using space or pulsing silence as well I hardly notice with these bands. Let's face it. Most of them write another form of song based pop, which of course has little to do with progressive music. So It's harder to find descent symphonic groups nowadays. Some good releases I have heard came also from Venezuela.
Roadrunner Rec /   V.A. : Supper's Ready (UK,1995)'->°°°'
Magna Carta

This release for me was highly confusing. While it had the "roadrunner rec." label on it it also had a logo of 'Magna Carta', in a design that for me referred too easily to this music group, I assumed this was a release by Magna Carta. Then it came into my mind the question why this group would rerecord something like "Supper's Ready" (the one side long and masterly piece by Genesis on their "Foxtrot" album), a track which was entirely successful as it was*?

Then seeing the individual titles it seemed that "Supper's Ready" was only relating to this title as a presentation of various Genesis songs, covered by a variety of artists. After confronting the singing on the first track, with a bloody awful voice, as if from a second grade hard rock group, trying too hard to sing, I had to put it off, and lay the CD aside for a while. This first track by Robert Berry and Hush sounds like blasphemy to me. The Garden Wall's "Firth of Fifth" musically is closer to the original. The voice starts indifferently, but in the more energetic part the voice still works very well. Instrumentally the group performs this track very well, and even has a brilliant guitar solo variation / interpretation. Annie Haslam's (former Renaissance)interpretation is also pretty nice. Renaissance was also such a group which continued into the "art" possibility in pop music, creating their own genre of art'-folk, with many beautiful records in the seventies. One of the many strong things about this group was the beautiful voice of Haslam. And hearing her performing the Genesis track, "Ripples", even if a bit art-pop like it is something to enjoy very easily. Also Kevin Gilbert gives an American pop voice touch to "Back in N.Y.C." (from "the Lamb lies down.." concept) succeeds with convincing power. A great interpretation as if this track was entirely his own. Also Richard Sinclair (former Caravan) has a good voice, and he immediately sings the song "For absent friends" very much in his own way. A wonderful interpretation. "Mama" was one of those few songs of the later Genesis which I still enjoyed. It was produced well and had powerful breaks and production. It's difficult to cover such a powerful original. And Magellan succeeds to make the song the song completely banal, both musically and with the vocal interpretation. Peter Bardens' Mirage with "Many to many" is pop music in a way I personally don't like it at all, but within that genre it is ok, but this is an interpretation of the Genesis whom I'm increasingly have no interest in, the over-emotive pop song style. This also emphasises the change from group composition to solo band members contributions, in this case Tony Banks. (By this time Peter Gabriel had long since left Genesis, and Steve Hackett had also just left). Shadow Gallery's interprets an earlier Genesis track, "Entangled" (from "Trick of the Tail"). It is a bit monotonous in evolution, but still enjoyable. Most left over tracks are interpretations from the last period of Genesis, a period which I can hardly appreciate at all, so also these interpretations don't appeal to me much.

In general I think the line where Phil Collins took over the group's leading place and lead them into more mainstream pop music territory is a very straight splitting line, which almost entirely turns around the musical interests and fundaments of the group. Also fans who are attracted to the first period (until "..and then there were three") have an entirely different approach to music. While the fans of the "first" group often have a great interest to hear music as a more subtle art form, the second group is more interested in hearing very direct song oriented pop music. Bringing both areas together into one compilation I personally think can never satisfy both viewpoints. This compilation has a couple of tracks which will appeal to both groups, but also contains tracks which will be skipped because they will hardly appeal. It is hard to create a good consistent tribute compilation from any band and to retain a high standard. But I can say it does contain a couple of track for my interests, that often prefers more progressive music as an art form, and I'm sure people with similar interests will agree here.

Note : Roadrunner/Magna Carta : see also tribute to Jethro Tull, where some of the same musicians made contributions.

* PS. The band Magna Carta I still remember from the seventies. I only heard some of their works. They had a subtle sound in voice harmonies, and with a "folk" association, which was typical for some English groups like Dulcimer, Strawbs, Trader Horne, Tudor Lodge, (but which I also associated with an Australian group like Madden and Harris). From the band Magna Carta I liked very much the 22-minute track "Seasons" from their 1970 album. Not only there (but also in some later albums) they proved to be capable in working on a longer semi-classical composition, so of course it's possible that they were capable of doing something with "Super's Ready" too.

Info (with sounds) : http://www.magnacarta.net/audio/suppersready.html
Other review : http://www.thenightowl.com/reviews/supper.htm
http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/supper.html
Elektra/Rhino       Yes : Close to the Edge (UK,1972)****°

Finally Yes albums are released on CD like they should be. I never was a big fan of Yes, although, like everybody, I found moments of brilliance. I remember liking mostly "Drama" and secondly, "Close to the Edge".° What I often missed with Yes, but not with Genesis, were 'clear structures with spaces and in the organic evolutions, an openness in the balances between evolving sounds/melodies'. With Yes, until 1972, and also with this album, almost every moment was taken towards the main melody line. It still was a time of struggle for pop music to accept, after a first break from 4 minutes limitations, now to tracks longer than 10 minutes. This album was more serious than their earlier efforts to break this mould, and they succeeded in putting their best efforts together. It's well structured, with multilayers of contributions worked out to the limit with keyboards, guitars, and Jon Anderson's high pitched voice,etc..

To many this album is considered as one of the top albums of all times, and it is perfect for what it is. But I hardly get time to breath, or to relax or to get a meditative overview. The balance between the instruments is fine, but to put as an example of the top of progressive rock I cannot agree, and I will try to explain why not.
Because therefore each contributing elements is too much melodically worked out to the edge of the acceptable. As expanded pop music it's indeed close to the edge of what pop music can bring in melodic richness. But as progressive music itself it for me it only succeeds as an example in this particular example, for all the elements work well together in confirming each other's tension. Beside this putting the limits to the edge in such a melodic tension, it has not much more development of balancing sounds and space developments, except structured within the drive of the melody. For this particular example it does not matter much if the peace and sound evolutions don't get its attention, for when one want to focus this album as the best progressive rock album as a standard example, many of the other elements that matter also, to make it work (like any sound developments, or emotional and spiritual evolutions in a piece) will then be overlooked. New musicians focusing too much on this album will then think playing long tracks with many notes stuck together will always be valuable and rewarding, even when their music composition is for the rest, empty of real intuitive inspiration. (In short it becomes a series of random tangents).

° according to the Woolfeman : "There are great moments too on "Fragile" and the Yes album (ref. "Yours is no disgrace").

Info : http://yesworld.com  
Private/Camino Rec.     Yngwe Guddal & Roger T.Matte :
Genesis for two grand pianos (N,2000)***°

If some musicians pick out the piano of Genesis (originally developed by Tony Banks) and rearranges the other instruments, this is not an easy task, because the strength of Genesis was also the combination of different characters and visions. Therefore the musical message in two pianos can hardly express the same musical story, so there must be some different vision to compensate for this.

On the first two tracks, (“The Fountain Of Salmacis”, “Mad Man Moon”), there are for instance no real ups and downs and very little space to breathe to uncover the original underlying musical story’s different elements with its own inspiration and development. Instead the expression is more of a constant motor with many notes. The piano here gives the music full grandeur, and a more “romantic” edge, with at first hearing, some loss of the full dynamic spaces. In that way the same danger of neo-symphonic arrangements lies here too. Steve Hackett for instance seemed to have been enthusiastic about it, and compared the arrangements at times to Strawinski’s music for two piano’s.

The strength of both composers/players comes out best when the rhythmic drive is as strong as the melodic lines, because the full dynamics here lie in the drive of the playing itself, which has its own kind of energy.

Can-Utility And The CoastLiners” this way becomes a different composition with its own dynamic struggle to develop, and this makes it most successful. “One For the Vine” also has this kind of development.
I also think it’s nicely/splendidly done when the second piano takes over a kind of rhythmic bass drive on “Down and Out”.
Duke’s Travel” is played with so much dialoguing spontaneity it becomes like a new original composition as if it’s a renewed invention on the moment (it is more enjoyable than the original).
Also the last composition, “Evidence of Autumn” is another convincing, rather romantic piano composition with its own vision. So, after having overcome the rather melodic start of the first two tracks in general the piano duo succeeds well in finding their own expression with Genesis material.

Well done.        Review of volume 2->
Viima Rec.       Viima : Ajatuksia Maailman Laidalta (FIN,2006)****

This very Genesis influenced item is reviewed on http://progressive.homestead.com/FINLANDGROUPS2.html
Private  Big Big Train : The Difference Machine (N,2007)****

The album has already been out for a while, but I had to put it aside for a while before finding the right time for it, because I am not always prepared with an open heart for welcoming expectations in neo-progressive stuff. Now when I have all time-scheduled pressures behind me, and I do dig into this album like I should, I realize it has been well prepared with matured dynamics, with attention to details. While the group always have been a big Genesis / Vandergraaf Generator and also IQ fans, I think their approach can be compared best to some of the more compact-dynamic albums of Yes (“Closing Edge” and “Drama” for instance). I prefer to compare them with Yes because the song focus of Big Big Train is more comparable to Yes, as if basically stretched-song driven, and with additional arrangements working towards this, while Genesis started from almost classical inspired, rather theatrical fantasies of symphonic progressions, which is not the case here. An advantage to something of the old groups, is that old groups had to work so hard with less good studio techniques, their sound was always loaded with ambition, dynamics and many breaks, while this new band gives in each track welcome preparations that builds up the dynamics, fold out, and then brings in different moody passages. Also, they have more modern sound advantages which they use when necessary (a vocal effect also, once). After a bit of cello, on moody stretched looming passages, moody sax passages, it are especially the guitars, a good rhythm section, and the vocals that carry the music, with extra textures of melodic, sometimes baroque-inspired keyboards, moody spheres/touches on mellotron.

The group had invited some cooperative talents, like bass player Peter Trewavas from Marillion (for 1 part), and drummer/vocalist Nick D’Virgillo & David Meros from Spock’s Beard(on another part).

The band had its roots of preparation from since the late 80s, and have already some studio albums since 1994. This is their 5th album to date.

Audio : "Perfect Cosmic Storm", "Pick Up If You're There", "Salt Water falling on uneven ground" & on http://www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecombigbigtrain
Intro on band : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Big_Train
Homepage : http://www.bigbigtrain.com/
Other reviews : http://www.dprp.net/reviews/200752.php#bigbigtrain
& http://www.seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=5736
& http://www.rockezine.net/asp/rez_areview.asp?ID=3056&review=Big+Big+Train+-+The+Difference+Machine & http://www.dailyvault.com/toc.php5?review=5064
French review : http://www.amarokprog.net/albums_16510.html
Italian review : http://www.arlequins.it/pagine/articoli/alfa/corpo.asp?ch=3713
Interview : http://www.progressive-newsletter.de/index.htm?/intbigbi.htm &
http://www.bigbigtrain.com/insight/interview_nucleus.html
wydawnictwo21     Skaldowie : Cisza Krzyczy (PL,1972,re.2007)*°°
-Leningrad 1972 - an official Bootleg -

This “official bootleg” recording has a not too fantastic sound quality but because it is one of the few live recordings of Polish progressive rock in general, the label decided to release it, to give a glimpse of the scene and this band, who were rather popular in Poland and also Russia, where it has been recorded. Luckily they have taken out the tape hiss, although later in the recording a certain deformation of noise is still present, which in combination with some of the less appealing rockier tracks (-the band, with a large span of material, switches a bit in styles, and for me with a not too brilliant Hendrix cover, “Angel”) makes most of the recording not too attractive. The few more symphonic openers with organ might have had an influence from The Nice, while being more rock-progressive in nature. But, as it could have been expected, it is especially the last few tracks which make it up a bit for the weaker moments. On the over 16 minute long suite, based upon mountain folklore, the moment when the much better recorded violin improvisation comes in, the progressive groove becomes just great and worth listening to, and also the last over 7 minute progressive/symphonic track the recorded sound is also a bit more decent in quality, so that the built up energy comes over better giving an idea of how the live experience should have made its own mark.

Audio : "Beautiful cellist", "Angel", "The silence is crying"
Homepage : http://www.skaldowie.pl/
Info : http://www.wydawnictwo21.com/english/offer-current_offer.html
Other Skaldowie albums : http://www.venco.com.pl/~janus/indexw.php?w=skaldowie&w1=
& http://www.polishmusic.ca/skok/cds/polskie/grupy/s/skaldowi/skaldowi.html
Other review : http://www.seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=5398
German review on http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/...
Symphonic Rock is a genre that came into existence in the UK thanks to groups like (early) Genesis and Yes (Gentle Giant,..). Slightly different was The Nice with Keith Emerson, reshaping classical music. The second group of Keith Emerson, ELP (Emmerson, Lake and Palmer) and it’s proof to stand next to classical music as a serious genre within popular music, through the exaggeration of it’s intellectual character, also led to the end of its popularity, and to the lower class focus onto the real thing, with punk music. Symphonic Rock survived only that long because of its popularity in Italy, because otherwise labels would have given these groups up much sooner. It must be said that Italy was also the best in the genre with numerous incomparable masterpieces. For someone interested in symphonic rock, they should definitely focus on Italy. A few other beauties were from Latin America. In the UK, the genre also had some influence on the progressive rock (Curved Air,..) as well as on the folk scene (Magna Carta, Rennaissance).

The neo-symphonic rock, influenced by the more melodic site of 70s symphonic rock hardly can compete with their influences, until more recently. There are more and more serious examples of music which mix with the more contemporary ideas of Chamber-music Rock / R.I.O. which are again worth discovering. Many such releases I have mostly reviewed on different pages. This review page focuses on old and new symphonic rock with a Genesis influence mostly, or which are a bit more clearly 70s symphonic rock styled.
Go to next review pages->
(late 60s / early 70s related)
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